On Being a (Semi-) Professional Geek


You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders – The most famous of which is “never get involved in a land war in Asia” – but only slightly less well-known is this: “Never go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line”!

~Vizzini, “The Princess Bride”

One of these men is a complete putz, the other is a pirate

Know what I really hate? Being outsmarted, outwitted, or being told something I didn’t already know. That’s normal for most geeks. When we find someone geekier than ourselves, bad things can happen. Take today for example. I’m selling an old magazine for two bucks on eBay. Two bucks. Not two thousand. Someone harangues me for inaccurately describing its condition and sends me three whole pages about detailed comic and magazine grading standards. Don’t butter my buns and call me a biscuit, for Cthulhu’s sake. It’s two bucks. Get over it.

Which brings me to the many levels of geekiness. I myself am one of those geeks of all trades, specializing in no geekdom but relatively fluent in several. Ask me about astronomy or ancient history or Star Wars and I’ll be able to hold my own. On the other hand, other traditionally geeky realms (comics, music, engineering) remain as enigmatic and distant as the twin suns of Tatooine. I’m just not interested as much and thus know relatively little. Geeks, as it turns out, are much like everyone else in that way.

No geeks here...beam me up

There is that lovely notion of the Renaissance man or woman (think Benjamin Franklin, Nikola Tesla, or Leonardo da Vinci). The one whose knowledge in twelve different subjects is dizzying. I think our culture expects most self-proclaimed geeks to be something of that sort. I’ve met geeks who could take apart a Macbook blindfolded but who know little to nothing about anything non-electronic. Ditto for those music geeks who couldn’t change a flat tire if their life depended on it. Specialization in one area of geekdom is common. On the other hand, I’d much rather have expertise in a number of fields than mastery in just one.

Why did that haughty eBayer upset me so much? Was it that he knew so much more than I did in some esoteric field? Or that he felt compelled to rub it in my face? Maybe both. There have been many times when I’ve been in the presence of those much geekier (and certainly, smarter) than myself. My usual reaction was to try and glean something useful or interesting from the conversation. If it turned out to be something beyond my sphere of interests, slyly changing the subject was always an option too. Anything related to computer programming or advanced mathematics would otherwise put me in a deep sleep.

Cosplaying...it's a geek way of life

I’m quite happy being a self-described, semi-professional geek. Chances are I can work out most common computer glitches, calculate my geographic position using only the stars, differentiate ancient Norse runes, or recite the periodic table in a pinch. I might also be able to retell Greek myths or list the star systems of the Old Republic without breaking a sweat. There’s things I’m good at and things that I’ll never be able to master.

As for the snotty eBayer, well, they’ll just have to reckon with my dazzling intellect and/or mastery of the Jedi mind trick. Just don’t tell him about my lack of immunity to iocane powder. But then, no geek is ever perfect.

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~ by Howlin' Mad Heather on September 21, 2011.

183 Responses to “On Being a (Semi-) Professional Geek”

  1. Funny…I would tell you that the original definition of “geek” is a circus performer who bites the heads off chickens. But that would make me an info geek. Or a bloggy trivia geek. Or something like that…

    😉

  2. I used to interchange “geek” and “nerd” a lot, but am noticing there is some distinct difference I cannot put my finger on…

  3. Awesome post! Thank you, Prawn!

  4. “Don’t butter my buns and call me a biscuit, for Cthulhu’s sake.”
    ~ it’s lines like this that make me love geeks. 🙂

    Congratulations on being Freshly Pressed! 😀

  5. I can never specialise in one area – too many interests. But reciting the periodic table and using stars as directions aren’t bad skills to have.

  6. Life isn’t fair, highness. Anyone who tells you differently is selling something.

  7. Still chuckling aloud… Thanks for a good read, and congrats on Fresh press!

  8. That e-bay guy sounds like Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons!

    I’m a geek but don’t tell anyone, it’s a secret.

  9. I feel the same way as you about being a “Jack of all trades, master of none”. I’d rather have a decent amount of varied knowledge, than a huge amount in just one area. But although being able to perform minor vehicle repairs, keep a vegetable garden, put siding on a house, and write and speak in proper English are all great things to have in one’s personal life, it can make professional life frustrating. Ah, well.

    And based on your post, I suppose you won’t take kindly to my telling you that there are mistakes in your Princess Bride quote.

    Congrats on FP.

    • Ah, yes, I realized the misquote after the fact. (Insert facepalm). I’m quite happy to be a jack of all trades and master of none…specialization, as Heinlein once said, is for insects. Many thanks for stopping in and taking the time to comment.

  10. I believe the term ‘Geek’ represents a clique of people who haven’t forgot to have fun.

  11. That is my favorite quote from the Princess Bride, and I have been known to yell it while smiting down weaker opponents. Congratulations on being Freshly Pressed!

  12. I’m sorry, but some eBay buyers are the worst! I had to quit when I sold costume jewelry, and the person would not return it to me, wanted a full refund because there wasn’t any “real” jewelry, and gave me bad feedback. *UGH* On the other hand, this person gave you the inspiration to write a Freshly Pressed post 🙂 Congratulations!

  13. Yesterday I had to come to grips with the fact that I am not a geek. And now, I see I may actually BE one. I am not generalized. I am a specialized geek. Thanks for that!

  14. Geeks and Nerds Rule.

  15. I actually enjoy being told stuff I don’t already know.

  16. I think I’m a nerd, rather than a geek. I can quote goodness knows how many Doctor Who episodes, and ditto with Star Wars and Lord of the Rings, but I’ve only seen a couple of the old Star Treks and can only quote them slightly. (Let me guess, they don’t have money where you come from…)
    Whatever I am, I am NOT ASHAMED OF IT!
    Oh, and congrats on Freshly Pressed 🙂

  17. It’s easy being- or at least sounding like- a geek nowadays. Cthulhu is a fictional beast created by H.P. Lovecraft in 1928! I love Wikipedia. Loved this post, too.

  18. Congrats on bringing a little geekdom to the front page. 😀

  19. This is the greatest time in the history of the world to be a geek! Our knowledge and skills are rewarded like never before. We make more money. We’ve got the best movies, TV, toys, etc. The proliferation of electronic devices has never been greater.

    Yes, sir–it’s great to be a geek.

  20. I think there is something to be said about taking a more “liberal arts” approach to geekdom. Fun post! 🙂

  21. Awesomesauce post, and congrats on being Freshly Pressed.

    I am also a semi-professional geek, and generally out-geek any of the “norms” I hang out with. …And then I spend half an hour with my husband’s comic geek friends and feel all clueless and stupid and (horror of horrors!) normal.

    (But please don’t call me a nerd or I may have to scratch your eyes out. Plus, I can kill you with my mind.)

    • Goes to show even geeks can be out-geeked sometimes…I have that feeling every time I’m around techies or music geeks. I could always Force-push them away, but that would just be mean. Glad you enjoyed the post.

      • Ack. And after hitting the ‘submit’ button, I realised I’d misquoted the quote I was quoting. Damn it. In my head, the follow-up conversation goes something like this:

        You: You got that Firefly quote wrong. No geek cred for you.
        Me: What? But I’ve watched Firefly a million times. Getting a quote wrong is absolutely, totally and in all other ways inconceivable.
        You: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
        Me: I swear by my pretty floral bonnet, I will end you.
        You: If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
        Me: —
        You: Also, I can kill you with my brain.

  22. Geeks of the world; unite!
    Except, reading about some of your multi-discipline skills, I’m not sure if I can class myself as a geek any longer.
    I think I shall retain amateur status by simply quoting films excessively, smiling anytime someone references The Princess Bride and pretending to know a little about music. I’ll leave the navigation by stars etc to you full on semi-professionals.

    Great read btw, really enjoyed it.

  23. I think it’s funny when people assume I know a lot about computer hardware, or programming, just because I use the computer a lot. I’m usually pretty good at finding my way around new websites, and I even figure out new programs pretty quickly, but I know next to nothing about hardware or programming.

    • Interesting…maybe it’s like how everyone assumes I’ve read every book that’s ever been written because I work in a library? People have strange ideas, don’t they? I’m glad you stopped by and enjoyed the post.

      • I should have know that you work in a library! A library is like a giant Geek-magnet. I find the most interesting people in libraries and one of my oldest and dearest is a Librarian. 🙂

  24. Love your blogging skills. They make me want to geek out and read your entire site in one day–unfortunately, I have other nerdy things to do, like obsess over movie trilogies and sketch George Lucas characters.

    Geek on! I’ll be following your blog. C:

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  26. hahaha love this post!
    -grace

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  28. Final picture made me smile, great post!

  29. These are some interesting insights. I enjoyed the post!

  30. Its getting them to admit their knowledge is, um, cloistered – when I saw Comrade Edgaredgarberger discussing the spread of Christian heresy in Asia with a mathematician, and the math geek put his hands on head and said “databank, retrieve”, I knew there was something wrong.

  31. Great post! Fun, insightful and witty 😀 I’m gonna like you ^^

  32. I’d rather spend time with a geek than a superficial person any day. You get a like and a follow simply for mentioning Cthulhu. Geek on!

  33. Great post! It’s fun. Congrats on being FP 🙂

  34. Awesome post! Thank you, Prawn!

  35. Life isn’t fair, highness. Anyone who tells you differently is selling something.

  36. I actually enjoy being told stuff I don’t already know.

  37. Hahaha, great post! It’s fun knowing bits about lots of different subjects. Weather, web design, music, photography, Calvin and Hobbes….it all balances out somewhere. 😀
    I have to admit that while I’m very happy to be heading out into nature tomorrow, I kind of wish I could participate in the LOTR marathon that’s going on….

    http://tehcatspajamas.wordpress.com/

  38. Geeks rock! 🙂 We will rule the world one day as truly benevolent dictators who excel at trivia. As much as love being really great at one thing, I have to say it’s actually kind of fun knowing a little bit about many things. Makes you much more fun at parties…and geeks are getting invited to those now you know!

    • You know, I always wanted to be a Benevolent Dictator (think Marcus Aurelius or one of the Ming Dynasty) when I grew up, not to mention beating everyone else at Trivial Pursuit. Unfortunately have achieved only one of those goals. Thanks for reading, and so glad you enjoyed it.

  39. I always love meeting someone new who likes some of the same, geeky stuff that I do. I don’t know why it is so fun to quote Star Wars, Firefly, Princess Bride, Star Trek, etc, but it makes me smile every time I see a quote. I, too, get rather irked when someone asks me something and I don’t know the answer; I take pride in my “Geek of all Trades and Master of None” status! 😀

  40. Reading the post it seems you are a bit of a Star Wars geek. I just watched (and posted on my blog) a fan documentary on Star Wars Ep.IV. I usually aren’t into things like that and I never listen to any commentary on DVDs but this was good – all the gossip, lost films etc added into the whole movie – worth a look, let me know what you think of the video please.

    Star Wars Begins, A Fantastic Fan-Made Documentary for Ep.IV

  41. I didn’t know I’d be reading the ramblings of an injured semi-professional geek this morning, when I clicked on your link on Freshly Pressed. Darn.

  42. I’m one of those geeks who could actually take apart a MacBook blindfolded. I’m a tech geek, primarily because I work in the area. But like you said, it’s better to be good in a wide variety of fields than just one. Because if you’re good in just one, you become what they call a specialist. I enjoy science, runes, languages…books, science fiction…ask me anything about those things and I’ll blow you away. Literally.
    Ashley

  43. Your blog header is awesome. I ❤ that movie.

  44. i like those pics 🙂

  45. I think it is ok to be a geek. I think that a lot of the stuff that you think is cool is cool too. My mom and my aunt are showing me cool things like Star Wars and the Princess Bride. They are even teaching me how to blog and helping me read other blogs. I like your blog a lot.

  46. This was a nice post!
    Even I don’t like these unidirectional geeks…they just show off all the time because they live their own domain, anything else as you said, is alien to them..ha ha

  47. Love your homepage picture, by the way. One of the special moments I will always remember in film. Interesting post, too. Like how you get the point across that geeks have their own factions just like “normal” people do. There are different categories of geeks, just like there are different categories of douche bags, writers, materialistic girls, and sports fanatics.

  48. Murphy’s Law of The Geek

    An expert is one who knows more and more about less and less until he knows absolutely everything about nothing.

  49. As a nerd, I resent the fact that we were not fairly represented in this post. We consider ourselves a similar strain as geeks, yet we remain distinct from geeks among the overall social misfit population.

  50. The ‘Jack of all trades, master of none’ is really much better, in my opinion!
    I too can recite the periodic table! 😀 Perhaps that is because of an Indian education!
    Great post and ‘grats on being Freshly Pressed 🙂

  51. Is one still a “geek” if the word “geek” has changed to mean, “one who gets all the ladies and a high salary and a summer home in france”?

  52. Gave up eBay a couple of years ago because of instances like you described.

  53. Semi-professional geeks of the world…unite! I might be able to read Futhark, recite chapters of Lord of the Rings from memory, explain the reasons why Unix is crap, and describe the education system of medieval Europe easily, but don’t give me a computer and screw driver and expect anything less than disaster.

  54. Thanks for making me spray coffee everywhere laughing at this post 🙂

    Cheers,
    Colin

    Check out my blog site ReallyDeepStuff at http://www.reallydeepstuff.com

  55. Being out-nerded can get discouraging, especially when writing. And the anonymity of the internet makes it seem more and more acceptable to be a pedantic twit – which is distinctly different than being a geek, I would argue.

  56. Geeks unite!!! I think everyone is a geek in their own way, I know to much about sports. I could tell you the score from a year ago, and the batting average he had. We are all Geeks. I like your statements

  57. hilarious! i gotta say, i’m a bit of a nerd. not a geek so much, but a nerd for sure. i’m clumsy and know odd facts. i’m silly and a little quirky. maybe i’m a dork. hmmmm.
    http://www.icouldntmakethisshitup.wordpress.com

  58. Hello, I posted a request about seven hous ago trying to find out how to change your header in a ‘free’ wordpress blog. Exactly what you did in this ‘Narrow Theme’ by WordPress. But I see it didn’t pass your screening. I was just wondering if the asking was too much. You could have just said it here. I thought my request was just something simple.. no obscene language, no political inclinations, or phornographic stuff.

  59. We consider ourselves a similar strain as geeks, yet we remain distinct from geeks among the overall social misfit population

  60. Gosh, I thought I was a nerd for being a graduate student and watching the it crowd… But I guess not!! Be proud of geekmess!

  61. very nice……..

  62. Geeks are so in right now anyways, it doesn’t matter how geeky you are anymore. Geeks rock… I’ve seen it.

    I believe I’m a geek on the middle ground between non-nerd/non-geek and full-on nerds. When I play my mmorpg, I know I am dealing with a bunch of nerds and I am no where on the same platform as them. They know things about the game that I have no time to know about and I feel like it’s not my business to know because they already know it for me. However, I know my characters inside and out.

    Anyways, rock on geeks, rock on!

  63. Cool…

    Good luck 🙂

  64. Uh Mad Heather shall we have fun stormin’ the castle???
    Loved it!
    Geeks and nerds prevail!

  65. Geeks getting upset by other geeks? Inconceivable!

    A wise man once said that the “geek shall inherit the earth”… but now all the geeks have to fight over which geek will hold top spot.

    Just keep me away from the Star Wars vs. Star Trek fight… that’ll be killer.

  66. Great post, not least because you opened with a quote from The Princess Bride (which I blogged about earlier this week). I always find it tough to be outsmarted on stuff I think I *should* know more about, like art or music. Maybe it’s a sign of my insecurities…

  67. This have me a laugh, thank you! May the force be with you!

    🙂

    uponatlas.

  68. thank you for this posts

  69. Similarly, I’m a big Transformers and comics geek. Someone at work started mouthing off about Star Trek to get under my skin. Didn’t care. People assume geekery in one thing translates to them all.

  70. Nice post, I know how it feels to be “out-pwned” in the geek sense. I like to consider myself to be above the intelligence line but when I meet a fellow geek or nerd who’s above me, I tend to get defensive, I don’t know what sets it though. At times, I think it’s cause of their need to put me down but at other times I think it’s cause of my geek pride 🙂 I think it’s what puts everyone under the same category though- being below someone. Everyone can relate to that. Whether you’re the boss, you’ll have someone someone who’s the boss of you.
    “The stronger becomes master of the weaker, in so far as the latter cannot assert its degree of independence — here there is no mercy, no forbearance, even less a respect for “laws.”- Nietzsche

    Thinking about it now, I think it’s really because of their need to put me down, who wouldn’t get defensive or offended by that?

    • That is a unique defense behavior peculiar to geeks. Maybe it’s the same force that motivates “regular” people to compare their cars or clothes or suburban lawns?
      Glad you stopped by 🙂

  71. Hey very cool website

  72. […] 3. Never be in the way of an Asian land war – Geeks strike back […]

  73. Dats quite lateral thinking…..like it!

  74. You rock Geek! Nice post

  75. The philosophical ponderings of the difference between ‘nerds’ & ‘geeks’ is something that intrigues me, as everyone seems to have a different view depending on who they are, how they would prefer themselves classified, their experiences and what movies/sitcoms they are into hahaha.
    My experience seems to point towards geeks having specialist practical knowledge in a couple of areas, meaning they have the theory and practical expertise and nerds having an extensive theoretical knowledge of an extensive number of subjects, but not necessarily the practical experience, i.e a car geek could rebuild your engine, whereas a nerd could tell you what all the parts are, and the physics behind building a successful engine but might not be able to put them together themselves (this is actually something that I have witnessed).

    • Very interesting observations. I think geeks, dorks, and nerds are like everyone else in that they are inherently tribal, and like to stick together with their ‘own kind.’ Reminds me of the joke about the mathematician, the statistician, and the physicist who are arguing as to the best way to calculate the height of a flagpole. In comes the English department head, who offers to lay it flat on the ground. The mathematician says, “Not the length, you bloody idiot.” Gets me every time…

  76. Congrats on being FP’d. Enjoyed reading your post, and noticed that you take the trouble to reply to all or most comments. That’s hard work, and I think it makes a difference to your readers. Keep it up!

  77. Fab blog – must admit to being drawn in by Princess Bride and Star wars stuff… Hmm you’ve made me think again about my daughter’s comment the other day:
    “Dad, thank you so much for making me a Star Wars Geek.” It seems she can now hold her own in any manner of awkward party situation by reeling off facts and places re GeorgeLucasWorld.com.
    At the time I think I felt a bit unsure about her comment – your blog has made me realise it really is a compliment!
    Thanks.

  78. I am so amused and amazed with how you explored geekiness. I think the world has identified geeks with nerds but your geekiness makes me proud to be a geek lol. If I were to go back in time i would be proud to be called a geek. And yes we geeks love to create, imagine, be different, innovative, funny and unique. Geeks rock!

  79. I love the Princess Bride! And I love the original A-Team. One of my fav shows of all time and Murdock was definitely one of my fav characters, lol.

  80. That Sicilian thing…when death is on the line..so gud

  81. You got Pressed again! Sweet. Great post too. I once sold hundreds of vintage toys for a friend. One night I got an angry email from an eBay loser threatening to report me for saying I had what I had. What did I know about Matchbox stuff from the 1960s. I rewrote the description a bit but told the loser that I did indeed have the original box and car and each little piece. When I checked a couple days later the auction was charging up past $500!

  82. I think comic book geeks are somewhat the “worst” when it comes to geekiness. Most of us (yes, I am one) think comics are the be-all-and-end-all of the geek spectrum and things have to be just right. I’ve been harrassed on eBay before too while selling some old comics that I didn’t need nor want. I didn’t care about the grading– I just wanted to be rid of them.
    Your post made me laugh so much. Congrats on being FP’d!

  83. Just read the eBay comments – I hate eBay but it is a necessary evil unfortunately, i see the costs of listing on eBay just a slightly expensive advertising cost in the world’s biggest marketplace!

  84. Good timing with the post. Not to be the narrowly versed geek, but I couldn’t help noticing that The Princess Bride was released almost exactly 24 years ago (yesterday actually). I’ll have to re-watch it soon to celebrate the birthday of one of the best geek films ever… yay!

    Congrats on being freshly pressed!

  85. My 9yr old twins woke me up this morning humming the Imperial March and soon after demanding their breakfast in their best Darth Vader voice….this blog has made my husband and I happy:)

  86. And the Geeks Shall Inherit the Earth. Great post.

  87. I’m proud to be a geek–it is an interesting realm to say the least. Great post!

    • Good on YOU Maureen to embrace your geeknicity. I mean, it’s just another nicicity. Simply ANOTHERone. So bloody good on you 🙂

  88. I had a chuckle. Thanks:)

  89. Funny article!
    In my country (Romania) we don’t have a word for “geek”. They just use the word “tocilar” to imply some of the negative connotations of “nerd”. In reality, “tocilar” means someone who learns everything at school by heart, without understanding it. Well, we’re still working on it…

  90. I love your blog!! You’ve got a new follower.
    On that note, I wonder if I could leave my own blog’s URL posted here to your comments. I’d love to get some readers, and I thought maybe I could mooch off of your success a little bit.

    http://nerdtrain.wordpress.com/

  91. I agree wholeheartedly! I myself am sort of a… free-lance geek? I’m a geek of many trades, a nerd of many masks… yet somehow I will always manage to be technologically challenged. Go figure!

    Great post, I will be following you!

  92. “This is not the feedback you’re looking for. Move along.” Made my day!

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  94. I feel a Geek war coming on…..

  95. On my part, I only get particularly riled when a fellow geek takes me for an uninitiate on a subject matter I consider general knowledge (okay, not GENERAL general, but you know what I mean). I enjoy learning new things as much as the next geek, but I wish more of our kind would ditch the superiority complex.

    I would gladly sit down and have a long brain-to-brain conversation with people on Doctor Who, Monty Python, The Princess Bride, Star Wars (Star Trek not so much), H2G2, literature (hell yeah), history, chemistry, physics, math, engineering, grammar, hipster-bashing, kittens, and whatever’s on TV Tropes. But if someone starts a sentence with “Ha! I bet you didn’t know..” then so help me, I will morph into quite a literal geek and bite that person’s head off.

    That last caption was pure genius, by the way. Congrats on the FP, and thanks for the great read!

  96. Okay, honestly, why am I here? Because the picture of the “Battle of Wits scene” from “The Princess Bride”. I’m a HUGE fan to say the least of the movie, not to mention I’ve actually read the book.
    I enjoyed your little “rant” if you do or do not wish to call it that. It was definitely light-hearted and entertaining.

    I can recall getting into “Geek Wars” with people before, but I had no real interest in fighting them to be honest. It’s like a “Shlong Sizing Contest” and your trying to figure out which one of yours is “Bigger”. I could give a rats tail less if you know more than me about Starwars, Star Trek, or Sailormoon. Just like you, I’m a specialized geek and if you ask me about Celtic Lore, chances are I know something from Welsh, Irish, and Scottish cultural lore. In case anyone doesn’t get it, that makes me a “Celtic Lore Geek”. I am specialized in other fields & subjects of “Geek-dom” but that’s for another time and place.

    Thank you for sharing this little bit of laughter and smiles with the community.

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  100. I think after reading your post I’m going to have to start calling myself a baby nerd, because I am not quite a full blown nerd. I can take apart and put together a computer in less than 15 mins, I am studying maths and engineering and I am socially inept. I can reference several pop culture trivia factoids etc etc.. But I do not elieve myself in the heady realms of Nerd-dom. I need to practise!

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